Again, I stress that doing things behind a partner's back like cheating is bound to eventually create greater trauma and more lasting trauma.
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Latarnia |
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I don't think one could have expected it to go well, if by well is meant non-confrontational/traumatic. With the picture Ben painted of the problems in
the relationship, putting it all out in the open is bound to cause major upsets, etc. That's why counseling is recommended, so that a professional outside
figure can guide the discussions and reach, hopefully, some resolutions.
Again, I stress that doing things behind a partner's back like cheating is bound to eventually create greater trauma and more lasting trauma. Mirek |
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frankie marino |
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you should have just had him read this thread.
good luck though and if it's work through-able, i hope you guys can work through it. Mirek wrote:absolutely. if you're gonna cheat, just admit it's over. |
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bgart13 |
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Oh, I knew it wouldn't go well...I just meant it went worse than expected. Lotsa anger and mean comments towards me. And it wasn't even about the sex
stuff, really. It was relationship stuff. He was caught 100% off-guard and had no idea of the issues I raised. He managed to turn it around so that it's
all my fault though. Very mean by the end of it, even rubbing in some very hurtful comments as I got the dog ready for a walk.
Then, I woke up my friend and talked to her for about 30m while I walked the dog. She was pretty upset with him and still finds the whole thing to be bizarre, as she finds the problems I've raised to be clear things aren't going well for us. Same opinions go for my mom and another friend too. But, by the time I was done and went to bed, he apologized for being mean and responding in a childish manner (his words). He is still upset, but may be willing to work with me to help figure out what's going on. I think he is still non-commital on going to couple's counseling with me, though. Funny, I got done talking to a friend on the phone a minute ago, and he thinks I ought to just make a clean break. Fend for myself and get out of there. Easy for him to say, he's married and happily so. Sigh. Such is the life of the insecure and confused... Ben |
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wow Ben, I am sorry to hear of your trouble too. I am in the same damn boat as we speak. My wife has admitted to cheating on me and it's all my fault she
says. Then she wants a divorce, which is like a ritual for her every six months or so, then she starts acting like nothing is wrong, yet we aren't really
talking to each other and I have been camping out in my stepson's room. I feel like I am trapped now and am very tired of her emotional barrages. They are
wearing me down and sucking whatever passion I had for her right out of my soul. I have made arrangements to move back to Chicago with my sister and she says I
need to do this for myself. My relationship with my wife has been in trouble for a few years now and as my wife gets meaner, I get wimpier and I hate that.
Physically I could put her through the wall, but emotionally she has me whipped. I am not an abusive person so I take it from her and lick my wounds. I feel
for you sir and I hope you find resolution.
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HombreLobo44 wrote: No, if I understand things correctly you are in the other boat. |
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frankie marino |
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Jojo Lapin X wrote: and you must put the boat on the other foot. seriously, divorce her and take half her shitt |
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Latarnia |
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What are we going to do with those chicks, Hombre?! You know the story. You can't live with them or without them (in some fashion); they are what
inspires man, but also what can damn him. I'm sure from their perspective they can say the same about us.
When the relationship is good, it's fantastic, providing everything a guy needs (love, sex, attention, companionship, fun times); when it's bad--watch out! Dominio de infierno! Mirek
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Damn. Sorry you two guys are having such a bad go with your respective relationships. They both sound like tough situations. Hombre, I have to say, if my
wife ever cheated on me, that would be the point that I would be out. No matter how much I love that person, I don't think I could ever look past, or get
over something like that.
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I agree Brant...i couldn't take my wife or partner cheating on me.
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Latarnia |
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Koukol 5 wrote: Yeah, it's called passion. Mirek |
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HombreLobo44 |
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I wouldn't call it passion, as this died in our relationship many years ago. I'd call it idiotic loyalty and a desire to stay in my home with the kids.
When we began our relationship it was probably the most intensely passionate and loving union I have ever experienced. Sex was incredible and I must pat myself
on the back and say that I never performed better in the sack than I did with her. She gave me such confidence and I know she really desired me. I believe she
still desires me, as she bitches we never do it. However, how can one "do it" when the one that wants it treats you like such a sack of !$!! day in
and day out. I am fine guys. this stuff is really old news and I am so use to it now. The cheating has been a threat from her for some time now and I guess she
finally followed through. For me this is total disrespect and so is the reason I must get out. Like a fool though will probably drag this out as usual. Mirek,
I know what you mean though. I love women so much. They are however probably the most intensely cruel and hard creatures that walk the face of this damn earth!
Though I am sure, as you said, they feel the same about us at times. I am not perfect, so I hate to be too critical. There are boundaries in a relationship
though and she breached a biggie. I'll shut up and go spank the salami to some good asian porn. Just kidding.....
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bgart13 |
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I'd say she chose to see how far she could push, how far she could get away with crap, and I think it might only get worse for you, Hombre. I'd say,
watch out and think about yourself and whether this is what you want for the rest of your life. You're not old, still have many years so saving your own
ass might not be a bad idea.
'Course, this advice comes from the sexually frustrated guy who's thought about finding a little somethin'-somethin' on the side lately. Take it with a grain of salt... Ben |
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Remember, when all else fails, bukkake is still around. Mirek |
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Latarnia |
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I actually would not recommend just up and leaving for anyone who has been cheated upon. These issues are far to complex for such a black and white
action/reaction. People have come together after such things, with a greater understanding and love for each other. Not saying that's the norm (it
isn't), but still.
Mirek |
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Howling Beast |
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Latarnia wrote: I would agree with this, but it definitely takes a strong and confident person to make such a choice. My hat would be off to those who would be able to struggle through such a challenge, because I know in myself that I lack that kind of inner strength and would never be able to forgive such an act, even though as you say, it's a complex situation which ultimately can have many reasons for happening. |
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Latarnia |
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What if your cheating partner said, "I'm truly very sorry for what I did. To make it up to you, and to show you how much I love you and how much I
want us to be together, I will let you do anything you want with me one night a week for the rest of our life. Anything you want, and I will accept it without
protest."
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Howling Beast |
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Latarnia wrote: I think for me, it's the fact that she has shared this kind of intimacy with someone else, during the time that we were together, that I would not be able to put out of my mind. Every time we did this "special thing," I would imagine that she had been doing this exact act, with someone else, behind my back. The trust would be broken, and I'm not sure I could regain it, and without trust there is nothing. I will admit, like Ben, I have very limited experience in all of this. I was married at 20, and we were together since I was 17, so there wasn't a ton of "experiences" before this relationship. I can really only base my mindset on this relationship, in which my wife and I are so close and have such a good union, that if such a thing were to happen to us, it would be so far of out of left field that I would be completely devastated. Brant |
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Latarnia |
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I think part of the hurt of such betrayal is that the intimate act excluded the one who was betrayed. I don't want to be an advocate for kinkiness, or be
too European here, but if the betrayed one had been offered an opportunity to join in on the fun or be a masturbatory observer, that may have led down paths in
which sexual obsession merges with sexual release and fantasy. I think most men are intrigued at some point in their relationship with a woman by the idea of
another man, or men, making love to her--but not betraying him. This fantasy heightens his own desire for "his" woman, if not rekindles it where it
had died down before. There are many games that can be played, but the critical element of being left out and lied to, with the ego taking a wallop, is not
present in the case of an invitation to an assignation between one's woman and another man or other men.
No doubt, Jojo will come in and state that I'm not European enough. Mirek |
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Latarnia wrote:That's all well and good, but let's get down to brass tacks - what would Naschy do?
- Jeff
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bgart13 |
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What would Naschy do?
Likely, kill the @@+*$! (sorry...last Naschy I watched lately was Panic Beats...) Ben |
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