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Shadow Walker		#61	[-]
Registered User Posts: 174 Jun 11 11 11:28 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yes I'm curious about if any subtitles have been made for the Italian Version as well. I've had a file of the Italian print for years now, but never really watched it. I quickly put the beginning of it on earlier today and saw that the first scene of the print where he is reading the letter is a different opening than the dubbed prints. Which made me wonder if there are any other scenes missing from the American and UK Prints. Anyone know?
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bdc		#62	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2954 Jun 11 11 1:55 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The US version has alternate/different footage. The beginning of the US version was possible re-edited. Some murders are different/more gruesome. I would still like to get my claws on the SWV dvd-r but they don't take international orders on their site... I get " no shipping method available" when checking out... Last Edited By: bdc Jun 11 11 2:08 PM. Edited 1 times.
Koukol 5		#63	[-]
Registered User Posts: 9979 Jun 11 11 2:28 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	bdc wrote: The US version has alternate/different footage. The beginning of the US version was possible re-edited. Some murders are different/more gruesome. I would still like to get my claws on the SWV dvd-r but they don't take international orders on their site... I get " no shipping method available" when checking out... If you need help ordering from North America let me know, BD. Of course if it's an American store maybe our American friends can help.
bdc		#64	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2954 Jun 11 11 4:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks B! Ed has already offered to help.
Shadow Walker		#65	[-]
Registered User Posts: 174 Jun 11 11 4:37 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well I figured since I was in the states and all...
Eurotika1955		#66	[-]
Registered User Posts: 464 Jun 12 11 2:13 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I have an Italian PAL pre-record that I have been unable to watch since my PAL VCR went tits up. Anyone who can transfer it to DVD for me is welcome to borrow it. I really don't remember much about it. It's been a long time and too much has gone through the old brain.
Mister Doctor Slappy		#67	[-]
Registered User Posts: 31 Jun 12 11 9:51 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I can convert PAL tapes to NTSC....the quality isn't pristine, but it could at least serve as reference. PM me if'n you want me to give it a shot.
Jens Erik Thomsen		#68	[-]
Registered User Posts: 281 Jun 12 11 1:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	bdc wrote: The US version has alternate/different footage. The beginning of the US version was possible re-edited. Some murders are different/more gruesome. I would still like to get my claws on the SWV dvd-r but they don't take international orders on their site... I get " no shipping method available" when checking out... Last I ordered, I just send them an e-mail and asked and they provided me with the info about their PayPal account, so it is possible. Don't know why they still haven't fixed their website. It's been like that for years.
bdc		#69	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2954 Jun 12 11 1:28 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Good to know Jens,they also sell on eBay (they used to charge ridiculous foreign shipping btw ) but this title never popped up there.
Domenick Fraumeni		#70	[-]
Registered User Posts: 4456 Jun 12 11 11:29 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I believe the Italian, U.K., and U.S. versions all have footage unique to each cut. I have all three, but only in .avi form. I've been seriously contemplating doing an edit that would combine all three, using Video Watchdog's # 7's extensive article as a guide. I should dig it out and post a few notes here. I just wish I could find some good DVD versions of each cut.
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The Real Belfagor		#71	[-]
Registered User Posts: 709 Jun 13 11 8:52 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	A new master of this movie was recently prepared by the rights holders in Rome. Only the original Italian version was used, featuring a scene in which the loan shark hangs himself instead of being impaled on a sword. If TERROR CREATURES ever sees a legitimate dvd release, this is probably the version that will prevail unless someone else is willing to pick up the tab to restore the English language version.
bdc		#72	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2954 Jun 13 11 8:54 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Very interesting! The SWV dvd-r has the US version right?
Shadow Walker		#73	[-]
Registered User Posts: 174 Jun 13 11 2:43 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Domenick Fraumeni wrote: I believe the Italian, U.K., and U.S. versions all have footage unique to each cut. I have all three, but only in .avi form. I've been seriously contemplating doing an edit that would combine all three, using Video Watchdog's # 7's extensive article as a guide. I should dig it out and post a few notes here. I just wish I could find some good DVD versions of each cut. I've thought about doing a composite print as well. I have a dvd recording of the UK VHS version and a dvd of the Alpha version, and (I'm guessing) the same file of the italian print that you have Domenick. Would love to hear about whats different in all of these prints. A dvd print of the italian cut would be nice as well.
Jens Erik Thomsen		#74	[-]
Registered User Posts: 281 Jun 14 11 7:03 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Real Belfagor wrote: A new master of this movie was recently prepared by the rights holders in Rome. Only the original Italian version was used, featuring a scene in which the loan shark hangs himself instead of being impaled on a sword. If TERROR CREATURES ever sees a legitimate dvd release, this is probably the version that will prevail unless someone else is willing to pick up the tab to restore the English language version. Exciting news! I hope we will see a release of that. I was pleasantly surprised when I watched this for the first time last year from the SWV DVD-R. I really liked it.
Chris Koenig.monsterkidclass...		#75	[-]
Registered User Posts: 204 Jun 15 11 12:05 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	If anyone could supply a copy, I would really like to see the UK version of the film. My guess of the varrying versions most likely had to do with it's Italian and American co-producers each wanting their version to have certain specifics for their own cuts.
The Real Belfagor		#76	[-]
Registered User Posts: 709 Jun 15 11 4:06 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The version released on UK video - under the title CEMETERY OF THE LIVING DEAD - lacked a pre-credits sequence of any kind. It did, however, include the loan shark's death by sword and several shots that do not appear in US prints. From what I can gather, when it was released to UK cinemas on a double bill with CASTLE OF THE LIVING DEAD back in the '60s, the distributers put out the American cut.
Chris Koenig.monsterkidclass...		#77	[-]
Registered User Posts: 204 Jun 23 11 12:23 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Real Belfagor wrote: A new master of this movie was recently prepared by the rights holders in Rome. Only the original Italian version was used, featuring a scene in which the loan shark hangs himself instead of being impaled on a sword. Stumbling across cultmovieforums.com, I was able to read an uploaded photocopy of Alan Upchurch's article on "Terror-Creatures From the Grave" that was published some years ago by Video Watchdog. Upchurch's article goes into great detail about the varying versions of the film from the American, UK and a French video release. Upchurch mentions that the American and UK releases have the 'Stinel' character killing himself via sword, however the French "Le Cimitiere des Morts-Vivants" version has the Stinel character being hanged. I decided to take a look at my copy of the Italian version after The Real Belfagor mentioned the hanging scene is in the new master prepared by the Italian rights holders. Well, to my great suprise, on the Italian copy that I have the Stinel character does not hang himself...but commits suicide by sword!? Stinel's death scene via sword seems to be a part of the Italian, UK and American versions, but is apparently different in the French version as based off Alan Upchurch's description in the article. Most likely it seems the Stinel death by hanging was shot by the production as an alternate scene in case any of the international buyers didn't want the more gruesome suicide by sword.
bdc		#78	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2954 Jun 23 11 1:57 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I seem to remember reading (maybe in Horror All'Italiana ) that Pupillo filmed the softer death scenes and Zucker was responsible for the harder death scenes. I never saw the "softer version" though.
The Real Belfagor		#79	[-]
Registered User Posts: 709 Jun 24 11 8:40 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Italian VHS of a few years ago did include the scene of Stinel being impaled on the sword, but the official Italian version - the one that played cinemas and was used for the new master - features him hanging himself.
bdc		#80	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2954 Jun 24 11 9:47 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks for that info! Mystery solved!
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