CURSE OF THE DEVIL and WEREWOLF SHADOW from BCI

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Latarnia		#321	[-]
Posts: 11660 (06/26/08 18:48:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I believe that CURSE is a definite redo, but I doubt that SHADOW will be, though I'm not 100% certain. Mirek
Latarnia		#322	[-]
Posts: 11666 (06/27/08 08:08:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This question is for anyone who is tech knowledgeable about making transfers from PAL elements. When you make a conversion from a PAL source to NTSC must the running time change also? Is there any way to do a PAL to NTSC conversion and keep the PAL running time, while maintaining picture integrity? And, if the running time is the same, and not a few minutes longer (as is normal in PAL to NTSC conversions), what would the visual result be? Thanks. There's a reason I'm asking about this, and in this thread. Mirek
Domenick Fraumeni		#323	[-]
Posts: 2008 (06/27/08 09:07:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, the tricky thing is that PAL and NTSC run at different frame rates, so inevitably, you would have a different running time. You can convert at the same frame rate, but then you'd likely have speedup with the NTSC version, and this likely would be heard, for those with really good hearing. I can hear it, though I know that not everyone can, all the time. It depends on how close the different running times are. SCI-FI channel, for example, often time compresses programs hat rin a minute or two too long. AT that level it's not too noticeable. Anything over 5, and you're likely to get a Mickey Mouse version, a lot like back in the days of radio stations, when they would play songs at a faster rate in order to fit in more music per hour. Tricky thing here, is subtitles. You can get audio synced, but would likely have to readjust the subs. Here's a link to thread on Videohelp that offers some excellent advice. I'm thinking of trying it myself, though all of my equipment can handle PAL or NTSC quite easily. Except for the Playstation 3, but I just transcode from a media server on my PC.
bgart13		#324	[-]
Posts: 1603 (06/27/08 09:35:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah, as Dom says, the running time changes. I've found that, when converting PAL AVI's to NTSC dvd, there is a "pulldown" that does a good job. Much better than Nero's (which does the typical poor conversion, with jumpiness, etc). If done correctly and using a good program, a PAL-->NTSC conversion will work fine, with few if any problems. Done poorly leads to transfers like the Johnny Legends crap...ghosting, jumpiness, etc. Also, I found out something that allows me to watch PAL dvds on my Sony dvd player (which cannot be hacked, oddly enough...many have reported the inability to hack Sonys). If you have a PAL dvd, import it into your computer, you can then use an IFO editing program (I use IFOedit) to change the info of the dvd so that it reads as NTSC. For whatever reason, some Sony dvd players get fooled by this simplistic change and will play PAL dvds, and plays them well, no less. I'd say at least 9 out of 10 of my PAL dvds work perfectly doing this (I'd say higher than 9 out of 10, in fact). Those that aren't perfect have some issues, but still play well enough to watch them with minor issues. I know this includes an extra step and I have to use dvd+rs up, but for now this is how I'm watching PAL dvds. I don't think I've had any speed-up, either -- the runtimes are exactly as stated on the cases/inserts, too. Ben Last Edited By: bgart13 06/27/08 09:37:15. Edited 1 times.
Latarnia		#325	[-]
Posts: 11668 (06/27/08 10:02:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks, guys. I'm not trying to do this on my own, but am asking because of the recent Naschy DVDs. Whatever jerky movements exist are the result, it seems, of some authoring screw-up in regards to PAL to NTSC conversion. I'm trying to figure out, from a distance, why most presentations came out fine, while a couple had noticeable jerky motion problems. WEREWOLF SHADOW appears to have been forced to the PAL original running time of about 1:31. The AB presentation runs almost four minutes longer, though the content is the same. BCI's CURSE OF THE DEVIL clocks in at close to 1:21. Unfortunately, I can't find my AB DVD at the moment, but if anyone has it, can they report what the running time of AB's CURSE is? Mirek
bgart13		#326	[-]
Posts: 1605 (06/27/08 10:05:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That's rather interesting, Mirek. Unfortunately, I'm at work and can't check for you (wow, it's been a long time since I could say that!). Ben
Latarnia		#327	[-]
Posts: 11669 (06/27/08 10:08:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just going by what it says in old reviews of the AB DVD on the net and what's on the IMDB, the running time of the AB disc is 1:24. Mirek
HombreLobo44		#328	[-]
Posts: 1594 (06/27/08 11:57:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	All this info is great! After finally watching Mirek's post of the French La Maldecion de la Bestia I can wait no longer and will buy the TriPicture release of the film. That was an amazingly clear trailer and I have never seen this film so clear! Especially Naschy's wolfman makeup. Wish me luck! HombreLobo44
HombreLobo44		#329	[-]
Posts: 1597 (06/27/08 12:08:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	mbb10429 wrote: Without leaving your computer 1. Find the title you want on their website and put it your cart 2. When viewing your cart, select "In Store Pickup", then click the link that says "Select Store" 3. You are then given an opportunity to entire your address, but a zip code is usually all that is necessary 4. It will then give you a list of Best Buy stores near you, some will be greyed out, but the ones that are in bold face should have copies available for purchase in that store. 5. Make a note of which stores have copies, delete the title from your cart and exit the website. If you want, you can also call the store in question before going to confirm that they have the title you want available. I just did this with the Best Buy exclusive of "The Man Who Could Cheat Death" and it worked like a charm. There are six Best Buys in my area, but only one actually had copies, so I saved myself the driving and looking, and went straight to the store that had them. Hope this saves some people from Best Buy frustration. Mark To add to Mark's cool suggestion, I tried this with the Naschy titles and unfortuantely neither film seems to be available for in store pick up. I am going to try Fry's Electronics, as I need to go there anyway for some usb cables for some digital cameras I have. Thanks though Mark for the idea. I'll try this with other titles in the future. HombreLobo44
Isaac K.gorezone		#330	[-]
Posts: 4 (06/27/08 15:05:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Latarnia wrote: Just going by what it says in old reviews of the AB DVD on the net and what's on the IMDB, the running time of the AB disc is 1:24. Mirek That's what the back of the box says but I put the disc in to make sure that was correct. It is exactly 84 minutes in length (but just shy of that if you ignore the newly added copyright info).
Latarnia		#331	[-]
Posts: 11677 (06/27/08 15:10:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks, Isaac. So it's definitely a couple of minutes longer than the BCI version. Mirek
Domenick Fraumeni		#332	[-]
Posts: 2012 (06/27/08 15:27:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, that sucks in regards to WEREWOLF SHADOW not likely being corrected. I guess tracking down a decent version of the WEREWOLF VS. THE VAMPIRE WOMAN variant just takes up too many resources. I'm not really seeing the point of getting any of these, other then having Mirek's liner notes which have been great, unless someone wants to convince me that WEREWOLF SHADOW looks that much better then the AB version. And, I guess I'll have to go back to my idea of taking the WEREWOLF SHADOW version, editing it to conform to WVTVW, and then putting on the audio track and getting it ll to sync right. Now if I could just find the title cards in good shape, I could probably colour correct it all to match as best as possible, assuming there aren't any minuscule edits in WVTVW that would foul things up.
bgart13		#333	[-]
Posts: 1608 (06/27/08 15:56:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dom, go for it! The only way I could do it would likely be converting it to avi first. I don't have enough HD space to do it any other way. I'm hoping that maybe, just maybe, Cliff can convince the powers that be to do WWvsTVW as part of the Exploitation Cinema line -- I think that'd be fair. How about a Naschy double-feature, with something like MUMMY'S REVENGE or FURY OF THE WOLFMAN? Sounds like a groovy double-feature I'd pay money to see, now or the 70s! Ben
Latarnia		#334	[-]
Posts: 11678 (06/27/08 16:00:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Domenick Fraumeni wrote: I'm not really seeing the point of getting any of these, other then having Mirek's liner notes which have been great, unless someone wants to convince me that WEREWOLF SHADOW looks that much better then the AB version. BCI's WEREWOLF SHADOW does look better than the AB version. On my computer monitor it's very noticeable. Mirek
Latarnia		#335	[-]
Posts: 11679 (06/27/08 16:04:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Domenick Fraumeni wrote: And, I guess I'll have to go back to my idea of taking the WEREWOLF SHADOW version, editing it to conform to WVTVW, and then putting on the audio track and getting it ll to sync right. Now if I could just find the title cards in good shape, I could probably colour correct it all to match as best as possible, assuming there aren't any minuscule edits in WVTVW that would foul things up. It's very doable with the right equipment. The only problem will be the credits, which are in different font. As I posted previously, all PD DVDs of WVTVW have the credit sequences in widescreen, but obviously not in as good quality as the rest of the film you'd be working in. Mirek
Domenick Fraumeni		#336	[-]
Posts: 2013 (06/27/08 17:27:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Latarnia wrote: Domenick Fraumeni wrote: And, I guess I'll have to go back to my idea of taking the WEREWOLF SHADOW version, editing it to conform to WVTVW, and then putting on the audio track and getting it ll to sync right. Now if I could just find the title cards in good shape, I could probably colour correct it all to match as best as possible, assuming there aren't any minuscule edits in WVTVW that would foul things up. It's very doable with the right equipment. The only problem will be the credits, which are in different font. As I posted previously, all PD DVDs of WVTVW have the credit sequences in widescreen, but obviously not in as good quality as the rest of the film you'd be working in. Mirek Yeah, the title cards are tricky. I was going to go so far as to reconstruct the slow-mo spoiler shots that are in the beginning, but maybe I'd have to take a closer look at some of the DVD releases and see what I can do, since BCI's seems to be a real mess, unfortunately. As far as edits, I think the scenes not dubbed in English were the only ones cut, right? Everything else should match up?
bgart13		#337	[-]
Posts: 1609 (06/27/08 17:31:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ok, so DD & the PO finally got my copy of WS to me today (got home from work just now and there it was!). Nicely done as the others in presentation. The paper for the liners is of lesser quality, but they still look very nice! I played the US edit of WS to see what was up with it. The print used is very rough, and not the same as WS -- different audio than the US one, I guess (since I'm no expert) -- but the run time isn't that different from the US cut (I have the Madacy one now, and it's almost the same run time, off by just a few seconds). I do notice the more Brit-like accents for the dubbing so the two English-language versions likely got mixed up at some point and everyone's right about hearing the flutter of the projector/telecine in the audio mix. But, that all being said, I'm going to experiment with adding the audio from the Madacy dvd to the image of the US version from the WS dvd. I'll let everyone know what happens. If it works, it won't be too hard for anyone here to do (if you have a dvd drive and are capable of bumbling around a PC). More soon, Ben
Howling Beast		#338	[-]
Posts: 2039 (06/27/08 17:40:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	So, at this point, it is safe to grab the WEREWOLF SHADOW disc, since it appears BCI won't be correcting it? I always get excited to have new Naschy discs, even thought I already own the AB version. I may play around with the disc to see what I can come up with, but I would love to hear if you guys are able to edit together your own WEREWOLF VS THE VAMPIRE WOMAN. Brant
Domenick Fraumeni		#339	[-]
Posts: 2015 (06/27/08 17:45:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I won't be getting the BCI WEREWOLF SHADOW until maybe Wed. or so, assuming it's in any of the stores. But in the meantime, maybe I'll try something with the AB DVD and see what I can come up.
Latarnia		#340	[-]
Posts: 11681 (06/27/08 18:38:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Domenick Fraumeni wrote: Latarnia wrote: Domenick Fraumeni wrote: And, I guess I'll have to go back to my idea of taking the WEREWOLF SHADOW version, editing it to conform to WVTVW, and then putting on the audio track and getting it ll to sync right. Now if I could just find the title cards in good shape, I could probably colour correct it all to match as best as possible, assuming there aren't any minuscule edits in WVTVW that would foul things up. It's very doable with the right equipment. The only problem will be the credits, which are in different font. As I posted previously, all PD DVDs of WVTVW have the credit sequences in widescreen, but obviously not in as good quality as the rest of the film you'd be working in. Mirek Yeah, the title cards are tricky. I was going to go so far as to reconstruct the slow-mo spoiler shots that are in the beginning, but maybe I'd have to take a closer look at some of the DVD releases and see what I can do, since BCI's seems to be a real mess, unfortunately. As far as edits, I think the scenes not dubbed in English were the only ones cut, right? Everything else should match up? Those scenes, and there's a bit of streamlining here and there. For instance that double shot of a clothed scene, then a nude scene, is now a single shot. Mirek

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