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ECC		#281	[-]
Posts: 2314 (10/15/09 19:23:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Domenick Fraumeni wrote: So, from what I gather here, the Troma and Midnight Video releases are essentially the same minus credits? Or is there footage integrated into the Troma release that's not integrated elsewhere? Not at all. The Troma release used THE HANGING WOMAN video master as a base and used other sources (PAL and NTSC) to create a composite that is missing three bits of footage. The only thing that Troma's disc has that other English prints do not is the Spanish language end credits crawl (the English export credits moved all cast and technical information to the opening credits). "I just spent all morning watching a VH1 special on Gwen Stefani. I don't know what a Hollaback girl is. All I know is that I want her dead." -- Brian the Dog from FAMILY GUY.
Domenick Fraumeni		#282	[-]
Posts: 2816 (10/15/09 19:29:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Right. So, the most complete version is still Midnight's? But Troma's has the Spanish language credits crawl? Just checking to make sure.
ECC		#283	[-]
Posts: 2315 (10/15/09 19:34:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Domenick Fraumeni wrote: Right. So, the most complete version is still Midnight's? But Troma's has the Spanish language credits crawl? Just checking to make sure. As far as the English version goes. The extra footage the Spanish version (the covered version of Dianik Zurawkowska stripping down) of course cannot be integrated into the English version. I prefer the Spanish version's opening credits sequence. It's the same footage but the actors aren't clumped together. Aurora de Alba gets an above the title billing whereas she's buried among the supporting cast in the English credits. "I just spent all morning watching a VH1 special on Gwen Stefani. I don't know what a Hollaback girl is. All I know is that I want her dead." -- Brian the Dog from FAMILY GUY.
paura nella		#284	[-]
Posts: 1984 (10/16/09 05:53:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ok, I am sure this covered all ready earlier in the thread, buyt my library time is very limited and I don't have time to go through all the pages. What is the proper aspect ratio for Troma's release? I tried to watch it last night, and wide screen format seemed off and stretched out. It made Naschy's frame look bloated and fat, rather then a block of toned muscle (like he usually looks in his films), and when I switched to standard full frame aspect, everything looked shrunk down. Also, it appears (at least to me) Troma did not do any real re-mastering for their print, but rather a minimal clean up for digitization. The colors appear to be very soft rather then bright, at least to me.
KlimovskyKat		#285	[-]
Posts: 615 (10/16/09 08:04:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Another dissappointment, sigh. We Latarnians can't be fooled.
John Bernhard		#286	[-]
Posts: 1341 (10/16/09 08:14:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	paura nella wrote: What is the proper aspect ratio for Troma's release? 4:3.
migdd		#287	[-]
Posts: 148 (10/16/09 16:59:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Regardless of some pretty major faults, I'm still pretty happy to have this release. Many years ago, I used to hang out at drive-ins for the chance to see films like these. Poor sound and picture, entire reels missing and nasty popcorn were the norm of the day. If I paid $25 bucks for this, I'd feel really cheated but at $8.99, I got a good night's entertainment. THW is complete enough for me for now but the eight minutes missing from SSoD is a major bummer. Still, I don't know that I would have sought out that film otherwise.
Latarnia		#288	[-]
Posts: 15837 (10/18/09 03:21:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I checked John's composite of SWEET SOUND OF DEATH against my 1:28 minute version and the only difference is that one has more frames per minute than the other. So no content difference. Mirek
Latarnia		#289	[-]
Posts: 15838 (10/18/09 03:22:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	migdd wrote: Regardless of some pretty major faults, I'm still pretty happy to have this release. Many years ago, I used to hang out at drive-ins for the chance to see films like these. Poor sound and picture, entire reels missing and nasty popcorn were the norm of the day. If I paid $25 bucks for this, I'd feel really cheated but at $8.99, I got a good night's entertainment. THW is complete enough for me for now but the eight minutes missing from SSoD is a major bummer. Still, I don't know that I would have sought out that film otherwise. For me, the Troma release is invaluable because of the supplements. Mirek
Latarnia		#290	[-]
Posts: 15842 (10/18/09 10:32:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, this has happened before, where two remembrances don't accommodate each other. Naschy remembers them using the "head" from HORROR RISES for the beheading scene in HANGING WOMAN, but director Jose Luis Merino speaks of how it was made for the film! Mirek
ECC		#291	[-]
Posts: 2322 (10/19/09 03:18:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just dug out my DVDR of the Japanese disc and timed it and it actually runs 1:33:56 which is line with the timing of the Greek release. "I just spent all morning watching a VH1 special on Gwen Stefani. I don't know what a Hollaback girl is. All I know is that I want her dead." -- Brian the Dog from FAMILY GUY.
paura nella		#292	[-]
Posts: 1987 (10/19/09 05:59:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Latarnia wrote: migdd wrote: Regardless of some pretty major faults, I'm still pretty happy to have this release. Many years ago, I used to hang out at drive-ins for the chance to see films like these. Poor sound and picture, entire reels missing and nasty popcorn were the norm of the day. If I paid $25 bucks for this, I'd feel really cheated but at $8.99, I got a good night's entertainment. THW is complete enough for me for now but the eight minutes missing from SSoD is a major bummer. Still, I don't know that I would have sought out that film otherwise. For me, the Troma release is invaluable because of the supplements. Mirek Yes and no, Mirek. The supplementals are cool and all, but I would really rather have had a cleaned up remastered print of this. I tried watching again last night, and felt like I was looking at an old VHS bootleg from the mid to late 90's (and even then, some of the boots were better quality then this). I'm sorry, but I am spoiled now after seeing what wonderful jobs remastering other Naschy films (as well as other Spanish and Italian films) have been done and knowing the technology is out there to do such jobs, even with crummy master prints. I would have rather paid the $10 for a Macy collection that included this print, while patiently waiting for a real remastered copy to finally be issued. Me fears that the acceptance of this print by Naschy fans just to have it out there will set a precedence for other films to be released in an inferior digitized quality with no effort what so ever to clean 'em up properly.
John Bernhard		#293	[-]
Posts: 1343 (10/19/09 06:05:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Latarnia wrote: I checked John's composite of SWEET SOUND OF DEATH against my 1:28 minute version and the only difference is that one has more frames per minute than the other. So no content difference. Mirek Thanks for checking, glad the comp is complete as I sent out a few copies already. The disc is in serious contention for Best Extras in 2009....I got enough value for my 8.99.
Howling Beast		#294	[-]
Posts: 3921 (10/19/09 07:04:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	paura nella wrote: I would have rather paid the $10 for a Macy collection that included this print, while patiently waiting for a real remastered copy to finally be issued. Me fears that the acceptance of this print by Naschy fans just to have it out there will set a precedence for other films to be released in an inferior digitized quality with no effort what so ever to clean 'em up properly. I would have definitely preferred a newly transferred, cleaned-up copy of this film and would have gladly paid $30+ for such a thing, but unfortunately I think we may be in the minority. The reality is that this is a niche title even at the $8.99 price point. With disposable income being very low for many people right now, it wouldn't have made a lot of sense for anyone to put tons of money into this film. It will happen, I think, at some point and the fans such as us will still buy it again.
ECC		#295	[-]
Posts: 2324 (10/19/09 15:35:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	With disposable income being very low for many people right now, it wouldn't have made a lot of sense for anyone to put tons of money into this film. It will happen, I think, at some point and the fans such as us will still buy it again. True but I doubt that was Troma's motive for not putting money into the film. "I just spent all morning watching a VH1 special on Gwen Stefani. I don't know what a Hollaback girl is. All I know is that I want her dead." -- Brian the Dog from FAMILY GUY.
Domenick Fraumeni		#296	[-]
Posts: 2824 (10/19/09 20:36:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Troma works with what they have. The money to do more is simply not there. I think Bruce really did his best to make this special. THE HANGING WOMEN omissions are a shame, as effort was made to make it complete. I don't know what happened with SWEET SOUND OF DEATH.
John Bernhard		#297	[-]
Posts: 1346 (10/20/09 05:15:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I see it two ways: 1. ) Troma knew the films were incomplete but had no resources to fix them 2. ) Troma never checked to see if they were complete The called it The Final Cut so you'd think someone would have taken the time to check. That is not a time / money issue, but a symptom of no one directly involved really caring. Troma is a hack operation in my eyes, and always has been, which is why everyone set their expectations low for this release. 100% Troma's fault for advertising this directly to Naschy fans, calling it The Final Cut, creating nice extras, and then dropping the ball when it comes to the most important aspect of the release.
Latarnia		#298	[-]
Posts: 15856 (10/20/09 07:31:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think they did try, John. The plethora of supplements kinda shows that. I know they checked my comparison of various versions that's on the Naschy site. But, it seems there wasn't a final check to absolutely make sure everything was complete. Perhaps there was a time element involved. Mirek
luisj40		#299	[-]
Posts: 4130 (10/20/09 12:44:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well I was a bit slow on this title barely order it only to get a backorder notice so I should be watching this during Thanksgiving or perhaps Christmas. Luis
Koukol 5		#300	[-]
Posts: 3995 (10/20/09 15:41:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I hear ya Luis, I'm still waiting for THE STRANGENESS...DVDPacific sent it to my old address and said they will not send it to me until the wrong person sends it back to them :-(

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